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0:00 – Introduction
1:10 – Aquinas’ 5th Way
2:53 – Paley’s watchmaker analogy
5:11 – Criticism of Paley’s analogy
6:25 – A Universe of chance and chaos
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@PhilosophyVibe
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMDoes God Exist A Philosophical Inquiry, Available Worldwide on Amazon
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@johnfleet1854
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PM(1) There is no requirement for purpose. (2) The Universe is not fine tuned … it is imperfect, cold and vicious. (3) We have evidence that the Universe exists, we have no evidence that a creator is responsible for it. The problem so far is that theists and atheists put so much energy in to establishing their case and the end result is always the same. It is honest to say "I don't know" , it is dishonest to make a claim "I do know" without evidence.
@danielof6
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMThey ignored the biggest question.
Who made the so called primordial soup of different chemicals and the lightning 🌩 to charge the first complex cell into being in their explanation? And now that we know there was no simple cell in the beginning, Where did the knowledge come from written on that cell?
And what about the second law theordynamics? Anything left to itself goes downhill and into disorder.
Everything around us did not start from nothing without a creator. And intelligence cannot come from un-intelligence.
@byron2521
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMThis is one of the easiest to disprove. All you have to do is show examples of all the bad designs in nature. "look how complex the human body is", O.K. It is complex, but why does the human body have numerous design flaws? From eyes that are completely designed backwards, spines that are made for 4 legged locomotion (not two), a larynx too high in the esophagus (which increases risk of choking), prostate surrounding the urethra (causing urinary problems in older men, when it doesn't need to be made that way), sinuses that drain upward instead of downward (causing sinus infections and congestion), etc… etc. So much for that watch design. Funny, after hundreds of years Christians still point to the eye for intelligent design. When now science can show numerous bad design issues with the eye.
@symemoza104
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PM1:10^10^123
The argument for that the universe came about as it is by chance goes out the window cause of this number showing the probability of the level of entropy existing during singularity.
@BenHakak-dl5fg
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMThe guy on the right is a genius and speaks the truth. Guy on the left is just narcissistic a hole!
@africanhistory
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMBut we don't have infinite time. Impossible for monkey can't get Shakespeare. Tornado can't build a plane from scrap. Why would a designer create a cruel world , is nothing to do with God only our expectations of God.
@mattwilliams3902
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMYou gave up too quick in defending the design argument. The odds against our universe developing by chance are actually just much much higher that just the atoms in the entire universe. We have never experienced anything just coming into existence much less anything functional with purpose doing so, yet we witness daily, things which have function and/out purpose coming into existence via an intelligent creator.
While this argument won’t necessarily get you to a God, the best explanation for the countless functional details we all experience every day
@mattwilliams3902
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMYou gave up too quick in defending the design argument. The odds against our universe developing by chance are actually just much much higher that just the atoms in the entire universe. We have never experienced anything just coming into existence much less anything functional with purpose doing so, yet we witness daily, things which have function and/out purpose coming into existence via an intelligent creator.
While this argument won’t necessarily get you to a God, the best explanation for the countless functional details we all experience every day
@Mafioso1731
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMI think it does need a follow up… You kinda only presented 1 argument with a rebuttel and gave up. And you guys know this, there is much more to say for teleological argument
@qpgaming9468
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMUsing Lampard's disallowed goal as the background 1:03 is devious 💀
@realdealholyfield-dx3bf
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMGreat video. That's funny monkey given time can write Shakespeare was a good laugh. If I'm not mistaken monkeys been around a very long time and they have yet to show any shade of evidence of accomplishing anything human-like without it being taught and trained to do it. But mankind has been created in the image of God'this is why we are more advanced than any other thing created on Gods green earth.
@Noonien96-nx6yj
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMHere's a mystery. I don't think God would explain the following, but here goes. In any area with vegetation and soil and loam, how come when you dig a little bit, you always find a few small rocks in any given spot. How come previous generations of decayed vegetation which turned into soul didn't completely bury those particular rocks, and instead they're up near the surface, and sometimes right on the surface of the soil. What kept those rocks from being totally subsumed by organic soil.
@DaddyRules-b3w
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMOnly those who have been initiated understand the synchroniser
@0607guy
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMZero evidence for a powerful, timeless, unlimited, unconscious, random, universe generator, generating universes for all eternity.
@user-ip8lg3uz2u
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMPurple jacket absolutely shut down this theory
@Btw_visit_____todacarne-com
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMGood point? Really? It could not be worse. The statistical probability of random events generating order DECREASES with the number of events. Randomness is by DEFINITION something that does not have order.
@kikipanteli7132
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMhe is defo greek by the way he said telos!!
@ydlbm
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMThat a fallacy to assume human are not created under the imagine of God.
Furthermore we only have 1 known universe so we can't make a hypothesis on a mutple universe.
@cheekygrin6258
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMI feel so grateful and lucky after watching this.
@timelessJ
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMthen the thing is everything he says about random is also following the the fundamental laws and this fundamental laws isn't random. So this "everything is random" argument is self defeating every single time
@black-cross
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMYou can claim the strong eat the weak all you want, but then do you care about moral consequences? You were the strong eating the weak. No need for guilt or anything
@black-cross
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMThe infinite monkey theorem is utterly and complete nonsense. There's absolutely no way in infinity that a monkey randomly creates narrative, or 5 lines paragraph. Its the same as saying that someone can draw new york city in detail randomly with enough time given. A building, yes. Now detailed things, no.
@Theonebigmadmike
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMTime isn't infinite and evolution hasn't been "proven".
@nested9301
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMTeleological Argument is based on the Non Sequitur Fallacy , suggesting that complexity and accuracy is a proof of an intelligent designer . , the argument's conclusion is not a necessary consequence . of the facts or statements presented
@geraldreiter507
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMChance? Hopeless with such a view. Very sad.
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@bskec2177
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMFrustrating.
Complexity is not the hallmark of good design, simplicity is.
"Everything is perfect" is mind-blowingly ignorant of the Universe.
Random chance? Are natural forces random? Drop a pencil, it falls down due to gravity. Drop it a thousand times, it will do the same thing. Natural forces aren't random – and this doesn't mean god either.
"Everything with purpose has a designer. " Ok,. what is the purpose of Pluto? Or a mouse? Or the Amazon? Presupposing a purpose to claim design is absolutely fallacious.
@mikeinmunich8814
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMThe sceptic‘s arguments are totally bunk. Humans didn’t evolve from apes. Apparently he’s never heard of the missing link. And the odds of a monkey typing up the works of Shakespeare word for word, letter for letter by chance is utterly absurd. The probability is so slim it’s tantamount to impossible. Such arguments stem from an absolut reluctance to accept the likelihood of a Creator.
@thekolobsociety
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMThe main problem with the Multiverse theory (amongst others) is that to accept it is to also accept that all possible outcomes will eventually happen. Including a universe that is overseen by a God. It’s just as likely to occur as a universe with no God.
@edkelly2575
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMTo use a multiverse as an explanation for our world and the reality we live in requires FAR more faith than a belief in God. There is zero evidence of a multiverse. Zero. We DO know there was a big bang that started this “clock” and this universe. So there were not infinite iterations, just the one we know of. It amazes me how “rational thinkers” will jump at any crazy belief as long as it doesn’t involve God. Speaking if Shakespeare, me thinks thou dost protest too much…
@emtiedvessel
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMI think this is one of the best arguments against the teleogical argument. However, it seems to me that trillions of years of randomness producing a systemstic universe is a weaker logic and explanation than a creator. It also explains nothing for metaphysics.
@proflighttrainer
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMinteresting concepts. Thanks for the video, although something I don't really understand.
Let's assume monkeys are lucky -> and they manage to write 1 page of any infamous book within 1 milliard of monkeys. A few questions from here:
– where are the pages written which are 10/20/50/99% almost accurate?
– where are the 10/20/50/99% monkeys who almost built the typing machine?
– what about the 10/20/50/99% monkeys who tried to learn writing?
– what about the 10/20/50/99% monkeys who tried growing fingers and almost succeeded?
to unlimited numbers of tries in milliards and milliards of unsuccessful "attempts" should logically produce a lot more "error" than "success".
Why don't we observe that most things around us are largely failures?
curious to hear your point .
CN
@jonthgrutz7011
03/02/2025 - 7:33 PMThe billions of monkey typing all of Shakespeare's work word for word is the most stupid argument I have ever heard. That will never happen 😂