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Ligonier MinistriesIs God actively involved in the world, or did He wind up the universe like a clock and walk away? In this brief clip, R.C. Sproul examines how the Enlightenment produced the religion of deism, which remains influential today.
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@lnvincible
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMBelieving in God and Knowing God, are two different things.
@Flintlock1776
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMYes, two of the "ongoing consequences" of deism are the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.
As a deist myself, you're welcome.
@kenhoyer8601
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMDeism is not a religion. It's more like a philosophy. The bible was written by people, based on the hearsay of others.
@rogerfederik4452
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMI've spent many years as a presbityrian in a way that I deny miracles and power of praying it has none sense for me .I've decided to get a Deíst after reading the Thomas Paine 's book age of reason .God bless you all.
@philzosity
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMSo what’s the issue….?
@calexander88
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMIt is actually good I have a name for my belief now. Couple of years had a powerful spiritual experience with which I experienced god and saw a lot of what is…ever since then a lot in this aspect has changed considering I was atheist for 35 years prior 😄. Deism is everything I experienced and now consider "truth" and reality
@bitofwizdomb7266
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMConception of yaweh is silly
@GabirElbakri-b3v
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMDeism It is better to have a better religion like kingdom of hearts
@djamaldraco8725
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMIf you create a perfect system there’s no reason to keep intervening in it
@thomash.
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMDeism Isn't really a religion, but a view. A view that there was a creative agent, but this creative agent doesn't care about our suffering or joys. It is quite pointless to pray to it. Most of the founding fathers agreed with this, and because of their great learning, we're able to see Christianity for what it was: kind of big scam. Oh, do you need proof that this creative agent doesn't care about us? Just take a stroll down to your local children's oncology Ward
@onsenguy835
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMDeism also has many problematic questions: where did such a Being obtain his infinite knowledge and power? what did that Being do before He decided to created the universe? where did that Being get the materials to construct the universe? how did that Being assemble the universe? with His hands? his will? or…? Obviously there are no answers to these questions.
@truepremise2053
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMLaw trumps History. Cosmology is not the movements of Religion.
@michaelc4060
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMIf original sin is a reasonable and correct position why does the law not hold the great-great grandson responsible for the great-great-grandfather's actions?
Because we know it is a travesty of justice and insane.
So…..your saying your God is unjust and insane?
I had nothing to do with Adam or Eve's decision and an omnipotent God knows that.
This is so irrational it bears no waste of rational thought.
The mental gymnastics necessary to uphold the view of original sin is the hallmark of the heroic Special Olympics of irrational insanity.
I love the true God but have distain for the gods of jealous insanity.
@michaelc4060
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMA deist beleives in a creator minus the dogma. Without these dogmas there would be no need for Zionism and thus no need for racially motivated mass murder based on religious, racial supremacist ideology.
No 911.
Muslim or Judeo-Christian violence not necessary.
Very simple. 😂
If you actually read and think.about what the Bible or Koran says they are storys of genocidal conduct and immorality run rampant amoung horrendus people. The chosen people of these cults are vicious, insane brutes incapable of creating anything worth while. Parasites and locusts with psychotic gods who promote genocidal activities, theft and patriarchal pimping.
That said cling to your dogma if it makes you feel superior but to the rational mind you are irrational.
Deism exists everywhere yet without the title. Thiests as well.
I'm not meaning to be disrespectful but read your scriptures with a rational mind. If it were the story of a human father, it's the story of an vile and abusive sod.
Yahweh or Allah would be on death row or in an institution for the criminally insane. And you know it.
If your a follower, what then are you?
Would you really want Yahweh or Mohammad to watch you daughter unsupervised?
I doubt it.
@tallflatlander3493
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMDeism is not just a personal viewpoint..unless one has had the experience of Oneness..afterwards it cannot be described in the terms of duality.
@firstaidsack
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMI don't know but this seems to be a bad-faith explanation of historical deism.
@zeroant888
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMIf you believe that God intervines in your life or in anything, then your basically saying you dont believe in your belief of so called free will.
@JoseLoayza-j6w
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMYes, we Christian deists are perhaps the main adversaries of Calvinists and we see them as some of the worst of heresies. You will see a resurgence of deism and an intellectual obliteration of Calvinism
@KayleneVanderwesthuizen
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMDeism is not religious. The basis of the meaning of the is belief without religion.
@19rudy73
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMGhandi said "I love your Christ. I fear your Christians. Your Christians are nothing like your Christ." I'm a Deist. I owe my Deism to the Christian church. I will never abide but such hatred and contempt for my fellow human beings as is displayed in the Christian churches
@AidanVeritasTheAmazingDeist
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMConsequences? No, more like liberation and empowerment. A world based in accuracy is a better world for all of us.
@renevalice3056
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMDeism is important to note as observing natural event hood, cosmic force, and creator/ inventor as part of the universe. How things unfold , with the divine hand hovering above, is the way we deists affirm existence.
R. C sproul did an eloquent job on teaching this ☺️
@jessewallace12able
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMI’m sure he was a nice man. However listening to him blow hot air is the reason why people want to abandon religion and have peace and love God- call that deism if you want. Doesn’t really matter what you call it- that’s not the point.
@nunomartins2209
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMDeism is true😊
@polymathg
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMR.C. Sproul is wrong about Deism. It is not an organized religion and it has not passed away in history. He also fails to mention that the books of the Bible were arbitrarily selected by the council of Hippo in 382 AD. In "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine, the entire Bible from cover to cover was proven uninspired by God and full of unsubstantiated claims and contradictions. If you're a Christian and don't read this book, you're living in self-perpetuated delusion.
@stevenwendellnelson8861
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AM1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
"16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you."
Consistently Pray for forgiveness, guidance in a good (positive) direction, and for help against evil. Pray to be saved from hell (whatever that may be). Pray for your friends and your family too, it only takes a minute or so/less at a time to pray. Do it and your life will slowly get better, or maybe quickly. It probably just depends on you and the kind of person you are/have been. Don't wait until its too late and you have to suffer the consequences of built up bad karma from immoral acts/unrepented sins. Maybe together we can help make the world a better place by changing ourselves for the better, and changing things around us for the better.
And addressing/thanking the CREATOR, LORD GOD at the beginning and end of your prayers would be a good idea 😊
Or just be my friend if you don't want to say the prayer 😄
I'm trying to help you get right with the LORD 🙏
Amen.
I have worded a short prayer for you to say if you are not sure what words to use, it may not be the best but here it is 😊
'' CREATOR, LORD GOD,
Please forgive me and my friends and my family for our immoral acts, please help guide us in a positive direction and please help us against evil. Please save us from Hell and have mercy on our souls. Thank you CREATOR, LORD GOD. Amen. ''
Please say this at least once a day for at least a month, do it longer if you want to and can 😊🙏
You should prostrate yourself if you don't want to do spoken prayer, or do both ☺🙏 Please worship the LORD GOD and not any idol.
Say ' Om Namah Shivaya ' out loud or in your head 108 times, or try to do it 1008 times 😊 try to do it everyday if you want
@st.petessavior6055
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMIn what ways did it impact life now? I've been a deist without knowing it for years now. It brings me a lot of peace with God. I blame him for nothing. I expect nothing from him. I'm just incredibly grateful for the opportunity to exist.
@antizionism234
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMThe problem with deism is the same as with atheism, even if you can prove miracles are absolutely impossible and improbable, you're left with explaining away natural phenomenon as the basis for all coincidences and miracles ("which are just natural phenomenon, which have yet to be explained by science" ) you are throwing out thousands of testimonies, possibly even millions through out history as pure circumstantial even though they are attributed to a persons faith of choice. Now while there's no proof in studies and per reviewed articles that such praying has a drastic effect over the material world, you are dismissing over 6,000 years of history probably more, of alleged testimonies across the globe that some being, one or another intervened in the natural world to turn the course of events in someone's life that altered physical reality. Either they're all insane or once in a while supernatural events supersede the natural order which negates the entire premise of deism regardless of whether you believe it or not. Eventually you'll happen along a testimony that science will never explain from your pericope of a naturalized world view, and considering how many there are, you are vastly underestimating how much God intervenes in someone's life to bring about another end. The difference is, this does not prove that someone's religion or another is true, and it never can, a religious claim must be proven beyond its claims to be true, such as the inerrancy of the bible, Jesus' authoritative measure and standard of creation and his words and deeds must be historically accurate in order to prove Christianity is the number one and only true religion. But we are simply talking about people who prayed and had their prayers answered, that does not prove Christianity or even other religion true, it only proves God or the creator is not impersonal from it's creation. A religions testimony can only be true beyond a reasonable doubt if its texts lines up with the parameters its set about how to achieve miracles within the confines and regulations of the perceived faith, if however others from other faiths contradictory to another also have experienced supernatural phenomenon, then the original claim that only that religion is true is null and void, for its standards have been violated according to the texts affirmation, thus the affirmation and belief is wrong, but that doesn't mean belief in a higher power is wrong, but is rather confirmed by multiple testimony of conflicting origins
@dankimmel6338
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMHe’s absolutely inaccurate, what a Knave
@giveitathink6749
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMA Creator. Call it a God as you wish.
@damianwhite504
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMRC BAAAAAAAAAABY WOAH
@Max_Doubt
02/25/2025 - 2:03 AMThe problem is: once you move beyond deism (which can be hypothetically justified through argument) and start ascribing feelings, motivations and desires to your god, you have left deism – i.e. mere belief – and have entered affirmer territory i.e. the claim (+ the belief) that a god or gods exist. This inherits a burden of proof and arguments will no longer suffice. So, Xians, prove your god or STHU!